Conquering Burnout: Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq’s Path to Quantum Healing

Hilary DeCesare: 00:00:00

Well, welcome back to the ReLaunch podcast. And it's one of those days that you wake up and you just know something incredible is going to happen. And that bit of incredible illness is happening right now on this show. And the reason being is that I have the privilege right now of bringing to you a gentleman that I have now been in the room with many times and have interviewed him, but I have not had him on the podcast, and it is finally happening. And I asked, I kept asking, and he is here, and he has so much wisdom, so much of life's experiences to bring you so that again, what are we trying to go for? We're trying to have that little glimpse into sanity into trying to make your days a little better. And his honesty is going to get you're right in the heart like it did for me. And he's got some pretty incredible like, jaw dropping stories. And you know, I like those kinds of stories. So today I have the pleasure of actually pleasure and privilege to have Sir James Gray Robertson, Esquire. He is a third generation trial attorney who specialized in family law and civil litigation for 27 years. And then he ended up burning out. And Sir James quit it all, and has spent the last 20 years doing extensive research and innovative training to help others facing burnout and personal crisis to actually be able to heal. He's taught wellness, transformation, mindfulness, internationally, you talk about like, the who's of the who, to 1000s of private clients and businesses associations. He's focused on helping lawyers, professionals, entrepreneurs, employers, parents, when you're facing stress, anxiety, addiction, depression, exhaustion and burnout. This is the guy to call. Sir James is a highly respected, he's not only like we're going to hear today, a speaker he writes, he's a TV personality, mentor, consultant, mastermind movie producer. And yes, I'm going to share with you he's going to talk all about his new movie that is so unbelievably out of this world. And he is a spiritual leader healer who is committed to healing, not just one individual, but the planet. And he possesses over 30 certifications and degrees in law, healing, coaching, as well as hundreds of hours of post certification training in the fields of neuroscience, which you know, I am a neuro junkie, neurobiology, neuroplasticity, epigenetics, mind, body, spirit, medicine, brain, heart integration, I know you're all thinking, there she goes, three HQ, you got it head heart, highest self, we will go there. This is, this is what I am really excited for you to hear. Because this is not a guy who has nine lies. He's already had five near death experiences that have given him a deeper connection with the Divinity, understanding so much more about spiritual energy. And so we're going to jam out on that we're going to talk about both of us have had these near death experiences. Mine is I've only had one. I feel like I'm Junior in regard. And then in recognition of his outstanding work and philanthropy. Sir James was recently knighted by the Royal Order of Constantine the Great and St. Helen. He recently received the 2024 international impact Book Award and the presidential lifetime achievement award from President Joe Biden himself. So we're going to talk all about how you can go to his website, James Gray robinson.com. We're going to talk about how you how you can actually transform

Hilary DeCesare: 00:04:33

Sir James is in the house. Welcome.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:04:38

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: I don't know if I can follow that.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:05:16

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: Well, when, in 2004, after 27 years of practicing law, I had a good old fashioned nervous breakdown. We didn't call it burnout back then it was, you know, I just got to the point, I couldn't go to the office, I didn't want to talk to my clients. I didn't want to see anybody I just holed up in my bedroom and says that I'm not coming out. But the reality sometimes include intrudes into that kind of nonsense. And I eventually came out of my bedroom and realize the fact that I didn't have the tools to deal with the stresses that lawyers face. And because I really, back then and back then, and then 20 years ago, there really wasn't a lot of research or understanding about what happens when people have to face stress on a daily basis. We're just starting to understand what PTSD is, we're just starting to understand what trauma what trauma does to the emotionally and mentally mental bodies. And we really didn't understand how to manage stress. If you go back and do any research at all, you'll see that there was about 20 years ago that neuroscientists started taking an interest in the effects of stress on our life, and realize that how detrimental it was to our health, and that people just didn't, there weren't any thing, any tools, any techniques, there weren't any practices that people could do to really deal with. It was kind of like a white knuckle thing. And people who burned out like I did, were somehow defective, they were weak willed or they were ignorant, or there was just something that they weren't doing that normal, healthy people could do, and avoid that. But as I found out in 20 years of research and training and education, that, in fact, people who burn out are doing it right, in the sense that that's the body's way of protecting itself from the toxic environment, that stress creates, and wears out your body. So what happens when you burn out is your body clicks at circuit breaker? And you just decide you can't do it anymore?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:08:06

What were some of the symptoms that you had when you finally said, hey, yeah, I'm having a breakdown I'm having, I can't keep going anymore that I can't keep doing. You're a high powered attorney. What did you What were you finding because I want people to be able to say, oh, my gosh, I'm I'm getting there, or I'm there now?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:08:27

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: Well, there's some well known symptoms of the effects of stress on the body. Because stress activates a party of brightness called a sympathetic nervous system, which is part of the autonomic nervous system that regulates your body without any conscious thought or intervention by our frontal lobe. It's ancient part of our brain that runs all of our functions without us having to remember to breathe, we don't tell ourselves to breathe. We don't tell ourselves to digest. We don't have to remember to do those things. We do them automatically. But as part of the evolution of the brain, we develop this sympathetic nervous system, which is our fight or flight syndrome. And what that means is when you're when a brain perceives threat or danger or stress, it automatically starts pumping adrenaline and cortisol into your body, which makes it stronger and faster, so you can fight or you can run away and survive. It was the people that developed this ability to do that, that survived. The people that didn't have this ability, obviously didn't survive, because when they were surprised or they were attacked, they would not know what to do. And so there goes Johnny, but the ones that survived we develop this brain function that actually keeps us alive and that's what the set pathetic nervous system does, but it's only supposed to be activated for short periods of time, like enough time to run away or enough time to defend yourself. When we conquered the world, when humans took over the world, and we eradicated most of the predators, for a large part, our brain didn't keep up with that. And so we've replaced the lions and tigers and bears with mortgage payments and, and financial stress and Horrible Bosses and, you know, possible businesses and business failures and all that kind of thing. And so we react to this as if there was a velociraptor, that predator dinosaur staring us right in the eyes. When we have an angry client, our brain does exactly the same thing. So what happens is, we get flooded with this adrenaline cortisol. And if we do that day after day, after day after day, it literally wears our body out our adrenaline, our adrenals were out, people may have heard of adrenal failure. It just fatigue. Absolutely. And so what happens, the symptoms of long term sympathetic nervous system activation are pretty predictable one is, and that includes cortisol. And if you know anything about cortisol, it's really good for very short periods of time, but it's very destructive to your body over the long, long periods of time. And so it has all kinds of really bad effects on your health. When you are exposed to adrenaline and cortisol for years and years and years, what happens is you get depressed, you get a brain fog, you can't think clearly, you are angry, a lot of times you don't, you can't control your emotions, you get you gain weight, you or you can't lose weight. And many times, cortisol causes us to trap fat in our bodies. And it sounds

Hilary DeCesare: 00:12:10

a lot like this sounds a lot like menopause. No.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:12:14

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: It does have some similarities.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:12:17

Is this something that men get to? Okay,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:12:20

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: burnout? Absolutely, yeah, no,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:12:22

no, I hear you. And what I find fascinating about it, when you said burnout, you're doing it right? You're doing it right, if you can you further explain what do you mean by that statement,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:12:39

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: because your body is designed to keep you alive. And if we didn't have this burnout, swit, we would end up with our health would deteriorate to the point where we couldn't live anymore, you'd run yourself into the ground. Exactly. And so you'd have a heart attack, or you have a stroke, or any of those life threatening events that are caused by too much adrenaline and too much cortisol. So in my case, I just my everything just shut down, I literally could not think I just was sitting there had feelings of guilt and shame and anger and grief, just all of these emotions were just flooding through my body, and my frontal lobe just wouldn't work at all. And so after I finally calmed down enough to where I could get dressed and go out, it was obvious to me that I either had to have a big change in my

Hilary DeCesare: 00:13:47

yard, every launch, you had to do every launch, or

Hilary DeCesare: 00:13:51

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: I had to quit. I talked to my partners about changing some things in my law practice. They were adamantly opposed to that they didn't, I was so successful, they didn't want me to change anything. And he said, go see a psychiatrist, which I did. But that didn't help. Because talk therapy doesn't help stress it just because actually, they're involving two different areas of the brain. So talking about stress is not the same thing as dealing with stress from a neuroscience standpoint, and so what happened was, is that I just had to quit. And so

Hilary DeCesare: 00:14:35

So surgeries, I want to ask you about that though, because you realize that there that things at the office weren't going to change. So we're talking 20 years ago, and as you opened up with the comments, things we people didn't talk about any of this this was hush hush. I'm not going to do this. And here you're about to walk away from this. You know Highveld have a high velocity type of lawyer and job and you've been doing it for a while. And yet you knew that there was something you had to do what what all of a sudden made you realize that kind of this, this idea of self actualization and self improvement was an area that you wanted to go into?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:15:28

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: I'll start my answer with that observation that I never wanted to be a lawyer. That was what my parents wanted me to do.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:15:37

Yeah, we've had a few of those where they come on, they're like, Oh, I really didn't want to do this. But I did it for dot dot dot yet.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:15:47

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: So they, you know, it was more of an effort to receive my parents love. Because whenever I told them what I wanted to be doing, they were freaked out and wouldn't hear it. And what did you say? What I wanted to be a Outward Bound counselor, which is an outdoor, teenage therapy for at risk teenagers who are acting out. And so basically, what they take him out into nature, and I spend as many as much time as it takes for these kids to start getting more a better sense of self, and to understand that they deserve a life to and deal with the anger issues that they're struggling with. Because when you're out in nature, you're in a perfect environment to come to grips with yourself, especially if you're if it's a no frills kind of thing where you're camping on the ground. You're eating one kind of food the whole time, and there's absolutely no, no telephones, I can remember that. I actually had to send both of my sons to Outward Bound programs. And they were telling me stories about how these kids would show up, and they want to be taken into town for a hamburger or something. And they, you know, they were very rudely awakened by the fact that that wasn't going to happen. But it's a very successful way to have an intervention with kids who are misbehaving. And

Hilary DeCesare: 00:17:31

I think it's like the epitome of change the state, right, you're talking about this day, but I do. I do want to ask you, I had the privilege and have had you on wakeup with Marcia and Hillary with me a few times and have loved every single conversation that we've had. And I love the before the camera starts rolling, and I love the after. But one of the shows we did you talked about near death experiences. And I immediately said yet, you know, I've had one and you said, Well, I've had five and then we started talking about it on the show. And I remember we barely got through all four of them. And I'm like, Ah, there's so much more. And I thought I needed to bring you on the show to talk about your near death experiences and how they relate to kind of this awakening that you had 20 years ago. So do you mind walking us through? Exactly what's happened to you? Over Over your lifetime so far with these five because I'm like, Yeah, can't be a cat. You can't do it. We can't have any more of these that you've had enough. You've had enough relaunches but share with us what what actually happened.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:18:45

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: Well, the first was when I was about eight years old, and I was running barefoot and I stepped on a garden hoe that hat was pointing up, and hoe and pail my foot and I stepped on it hard enough that it swung the handle up and it hit me right between the eyes. And I can't it was so long ago I don't can't remember all the details. I didn't know I had an out of body experience where I was watching everybody freaking out and you know the paramedics and all that showed up and resuscitated me and all that stuff. And then I went back in my body.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:19:25

So when you when you have this out of body experience. Yeah, we often hear about lights and about images. What what did you What happened to you, if anything, or was it just that you were looking down on yourself?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:19:37

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: I was just looking down on myself. There were voices heard voices telling me it's okay. You know, you're not going anywhere. Nothing to be afraid of. The thing I remember was, there was no pain. There was no fear. It was just kind of like him sitting there lying on the ground with a hole through my foot and all the He's people are trying to make me breathe. But then there was blood all over. But it was more of a curiosity than anything else, I just didn't really think much of it, then I went back into my body and didn't even tell anybody that it happened. I just really didn't know enough to know that anything really special it happened. I just remember the feelings of feeling very safe, and very supported and very loved.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:20:29

And then, and then what happened the next time. The second

Hilary DeCesare: 00:20:32

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: time I was in a freshman in college and I fell off a dorm, landed on a brick wall. It basically took the left side of my ribcage out and took about half of my face off. That one was a little messier. Again, I had a had a near death, I had an out of body as I like to explain my soul bounced higher than my body did. Because I was looking down on it all the medical people there, they were trying to put me back together, they finally got me to the local Infirmary where they basically just sedated me and all the time, I was just floating along with his watch. And again, having a feeling of very, it was very calm. It was no pain was felt very safe. I was just going, you know, wow, this is pretty cool. I didn't have you know, the tunnel or the heaven scenario or anything like that. It's just I was talking to voices, voices were reassuring me everything is gonna be alright. You're not done yet.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:21:41

So I have to ask you, you've had voices now twice. Have you had voices any other time? I know, we're gonna get into the other three experiences. But between when you were eight, and this happening when you were a freshman, did you have other voices? Like were you like, kind of hearing? Because some heightened?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:22:00

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: Okay, yeah, yeah, I've constantly had these voices in my head that were telling me, you know, watch out for this. This person is good that person's stay away from

Hilary DeCesare: 00:22:17

so a heightened level of intuition.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:22:20

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: Yes, and also is kind of like, I also knew that a lot of my experiences weren't normal in my childhood, because it was like I had very out there, authoritarian parents that were very dis handed out discipline left and right. And it was the end of something was just telling me that this was not normal. And that everybody was telling me that I had great parents, and that I had a wonderful life and all this stuff. And all the while I was developing PTSD, the trauma that I was experiencing during my childhood, and, you know, I just was going, This can't be right, this can't be normal.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:23:08

But as a young child, you just don't know what what is right at that time.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:23:12

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: Exactly. I mean, you know, you think that that's what is supposed to happen. But, you know, when I got older and moved out of the house and had out my own life experiences and had children, I realized that I had a very traumatic childhood. And it left a lasting, lasting impression on me. In fact, I was diagnosed with PTSD, probably a lot from the abuse, but also probably from the Near Death Experiences. Absolutely.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:23:43

So let's keep going with Number three, what was that? Number

Hilary DeCesare: 00:23:46

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: three would have been a rugby accident, where I was running down the field and got to the ball. And when I looked up, a guy ran the top of his head right into the bridge of my nose, drove the septum back into my brain, which normally kills people. Right, all right. But I survived. And although they had to do extensive reconstructive surgery on my face, and that was 84. So that was I even stayed in the practicing law for another 20 years after that. Then number four, number four

Hilary DeCesare: 00:24:30

was, we've got a year old, that shovel thing hitting you and we've got the freshman dorm, the rugby accident. And

Hilary DeCesare: 00:24:38

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: now then I had two gang related beatings, mainly being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I was hitchhiking through Florida and got picked up by a military person who asked if I needed a place to stay. I said sure. So he took me back to the base. And I didn't know that he was homosexual. Which I found out and when I protested him and a lot of his buddies beat me. And so that was, you know, I was just sitting there float and watching them attack me. And again, there was no fear there was no pain. It was just how old were you when that happened? Well, I'm old enough to know better, probably in my mid 30s. Wow. And then the last one, I was in Ireland. And it was on Halloween night again, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. did not realize that Halloween night is the most out violent night in Ireland, especially in Dublin. They have more assaults, more beatings, more violent crimes that night, and probably the rest of the year. And I was just in the wrong place. I was walking through a park, looking at a bunch of bonfires. And somebody came up behind me and said, Where are you from, and I said, the state's and he started hitting me in the head with a baseball bat. And so I was out for quite a while, and again, had a out of body experience. And woke up, I was covered in blood. And I stumbled back to the hotel, they got me medical help. And you know, that one was probably more serious than any other hand injuries I've had. But that was probably 15 years ago, that was after I quit practicing law. So all of these things had assembler summer experience, in that I was out of my body. I felt safe and secure and loved and supported. And I was talking to people who were talking to energy beings that knew all about me, they knew what I was doing. And they kept insisting that I had to go back because I wasn't finished yet.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:27:04

James, you took you took all of these experiences, and you've made some really incredible productions and movies out of them, can you share with us your most recent, the the movies you've created. And tell us more about why you felt so compelled that you had to do that I'd

Hilary DeCesare: 00:27:27

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: love to the first movie is that we've released its own live streaming on a couple of platforms, we're still waiting for Amazon Prime to release it, they've got they've had it for two months. I don't know what they're doing. But I hope any day now they're gonna let people log on to it from their platform. But it's called beyond physical matter. And it's about quantum energy. And it's about healing. It's about longevity. It's about success. And basically, it's talks about this energy that we're all surrounded with, and how it's in everything is in everything solid, everything is there, everything is liquid. And we can actually control it with our minds. And the technology that's coming out now, especially in medical science, is actually starting to prove what a lot of metaphysical people have been saying for over 100 years. And that is that, you know, your attitude, determines your health and determines your success. It determines what you perceive, and your mind and what's going on in your head actually controls everything that you experience. And you actually are creating everything you experience with your mind. I

Hilary DeCesare: 00:28:52

was and I thought it the way you did it. First off, it was beautifully found but the way you did it and the stories and I want to talk about you know, some of the people that you got into common and really discuss their stories was also amazing. But what it did for me and I've been studying this stuff as you know with my dear friend John ausra for decades now. And what you did is you broke it down in such simple terms. And it's taken it from the whoo of like, like oh, you're one of those people are too all of a sudden you really got the scientific information out there in an easy way everybody I mean that's like the key there the way you documented this was brilliant. How did you decide to go that route and and how do you take a topic like beyond physical matter and simplify it? How did you even come up with that?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:29:57

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: We went to a lot of The same people that were in the movie, the secret that came out about 20 years ago that was so phenomenally successful. We basically asked them to come and tell us what they've learned since they made that movie. That's such a great idea. And so they're there, Marie diamond, Joe Vitale. And a number of other people that were in the sacred came into Word starring in our movie and discussing the things that they've learned. Also, we have some, some of the younger guns who are absolutely brilliant scientists that are changing the world as we speak with energy and lights and vibration and clinics and things that are supplementing what modern medicine is doing, in order so that we can heal quicker, we can live longer. And because we're starting to find out more and more about the brain and about how the brain functions, and about how energy affects our brains. Now, vibration affects our brains and our bodies. And depending on what you surround yourself with, you can either be very healthy and very successful, or you can be very sick and and very stressed out. Because there are a couple of things that I do a lot of neurological research, and they're really finding out some things that confirm what Eastern philosophy and some of these woowoo alternative medicine practitioners have been preaching for years. And it's, you know, it's all based on science. Now, it all is all confirmed. It's all rational. And people can have some faith that, you know, this isn't made up somewhere, this is actually been proven by science. And so James,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:32:00

why do you think it's taken so long?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:32:05

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: I think that we simply operate on different levels, and our imagination, our intuition, and our creativity, have gone, you know, really made huge strides in the arts and philosophy and literature, and movies. And what hasn't kept up is medical science. Because the medical side, Allah allopathic medicine has always been about treating the symptoms. And it hasn't been so much focused on wellness cure, Let's heal the calls. And what the neuroscientists are starting to connect the dots and they're starting to say, your thoughts matter, because your thoughts can either get you into a state of health or it can get you into a state of Hill illness. And the problem with allopathic medicine was is that they didn't care so much, what was making you sick, they wanted you to stop having the symptoms. And so now, with all the research that's coming out, they're starting to see that the cause is more important than the symptoms, and that they need to start focusing on the cause whether it's an emotional problem, or an environmental problem, or a cultural problem that is causing us all of the problems we're having in society today, are all cultural. And it's something it's just like in the Middle East, their problems are 1000s and 1000s of years old, because that's the way their culture has been ever since they started writing down stuff over there. So you know, whether

Hilary DeCesare: 00:34:01

so with beyond physical matter, what is the most important point that you want people to take away? And the listeners right now? What What can you give them? As you know, hey, this is a first step. This is where you got to start.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:34:22

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: Well, the good news, the bad news is the good news is we're incredibly powerful beings who have complete control over everything that happens in our life. The bad news is we're incredibly powerful people who are in control and can determine everything that happens in our life. I mean, what is all think of all the possibilities? The other one is taking responsibility for your actions, your thoughts, your emotions, and it is not because we're not trained to focus on our thinking, we're not trained to focus on our nutrition that goes into our bodies, we're not trained to understand how we treat people has lasting effects on not only us, but them as well. It's this fairly new concept in the last decade or so that we are creating everything we experience. And we knew that a while ago with quantum physics, because they started discovering that whatever you, whatever you look for, you will find.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:35:35

And I love that saying, absolutely.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:35:39

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: And so when we didn't really understand that on a neurological level, that that actually is true as well. And there are a number of books that have come out now that start explaining on a molecular level, what's happening in our brains that causes us to affect our reality. And it's not only just perception, it's also actually affecting the physical world around us. So it's, you know, this isn't some philosopher talking now, this is Oh.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:36:17

And I love that you're bringing these people together. And your mission is around, I mean, making it as simple for people to understand putting the research behind. It is. So Brian, and I'm looking at the time on Mike, I cannot believe that was already 30 plus minutes. So what I would love is tell us where people can watch Beyond physical matter where they can find you follow you hear more about all of these great things that you're coming up with in the neuroscience world? Where do they go?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:36:57

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: Well, easiest thing is just email me at James@JamesGrayRobinson.com. Any day now I'll be able to say just go to the Amazon prime and prime video. And it'll be up and running. I'm at the mercy of the programmers. They

Hilary DeCesare: 00:37:16

I was thinking, Where did I get Where did I see it? But you're right, I you sent me a copy. So at least I could know about it before I interviewed you with mercy. So yes,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:37:26

Sir James Gray Robinson, Esq: there is a platform that it's on called Sanjay. It's an Asian platform. Yeah. But the link is like 30 characters long, and I can't recite it off the top of my head. Well, I think email me, I will send you that link.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:37:41

And I think that everyone, if they aren't going to email me, which you're so generous to give that we'll put that in the show notes. But put that down, keep looking for it beyond physical matter. I thought it was so great. I had my husband II watch it. I mean, I was like, This is so cool. Well, Sir James, a privilege to have you on the ReLaunch podcast. And thank you, I know you have so many other things going on. And I'm excited to have you back so that we can talk more about all of the great things that you're uncovering in this field. And so thank you again. And everyone. When you hear something like this, and it sparks something ignites you that you want to follow up that you're like, there's something more here. Don't let that pass you by. And as you heard Sir James talk about, he had five near death experiences. You know what, our life is so precious, and it's not about waiting on what's to come. It's about making it happen now. So please reach out to Sir James, visit all of the shownotes hear more about this. And as I always say live now love now relaunch now into the best version of you. And we will see you again next week. Thanks everybody.