From Lack to Abundance: ReLaunch Your Money Mindset Without Budgeting

Hilary DeCesare: 00:00:00

Welcome back to the ReLaunch podcast and what a show we have in store for you. And you know what, as I always say, there's perfect timing. And this gal is going to deliver the goods as we, whether it's the beginning of the new year, whether it's the beginning of a quarter, there is something that we all have to be thinking about. And that is the old money, money, money, we have to be thinking about this, the budgets that, that how we set ourselves up for success. And my guest today has a very different way of looking at it. And so I am really excited to dive deep into this, understand what we can do. Wherever you are in the world right now, what you can do right away, we're gonna give you tips, strategies, that are going to be like, Wow, I hadn't thought of it that way. And she is making a lot of people super successful. Her name is Lisa Chastain. She is the best selling author of girl get your shit together, which I absolutely love. She's got another book coming out next year called Stop budgeting start living. And again, she is she's not only this best selling author, she's a radio show host. She's a money coach, she empowers women to stop budgeting, build wealth, and spend guilt free. You heard that right? Spend guilt free? much are we loving that? So what she does she merges Finance Fundamentals and money mindset, you now know why she's on. And Lisa inspires women to take charge of their financial destiny. She's recognized by renowned media outlets, she simplifies money, she reduces how money makes us stressed. And she guides women towards their best lives.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:02:11

Lisa, welcome to the ReLaunch podcast.

Lisa Chastain: 00:02:15

That was such an amazing introduction, I think we're done.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:02:21

You should see the list of questions I have for you. You're not going anywhere. I am really excited. First off, get out love the title of the book, right girl get your shit together. And there's always a reason you put a title like that onto a book, especially your first book. And so let's take a journey back in time. For people who aren't familiar with you right now, they certainly will be after this. So all of the listeners out there, you know, like if you're working out, if you are, you know hanging out in the in the home, this is the time where grab your pad of paper, grab your computer and start taking notes. Because I got mine in front of me, I'm going to be doing the same. These are conversations that we all need to be having but your journey. Your journey is really an interesting one. And would you start with the thing that was the most impactful in your relaunch history? What really set your course on a different trajectory?

Lisa Chastain: 00:03:22

It was this book. Yeah, it wasn't just the book because I wrote the book in 2017. It was everything that was happening around me and in my life in the middle of my life while I was writing the book. That was the total real relaunch of my life.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:03:39

How interesting. So it was actually during the book writing. It was during a book. Okay, we gotta go back because 2017 You know, not not too long ago, but tell us about tell us more about you and your and just kind of your history.

Lisa Chastain: 00:03:56

Okay, so I'm a blue collar girl. I was born and raised in Vegas, and I still live in I live in Henderson so outside of Vegas, but still a Vegas kid. My dad grew up dirt poor in Georgia. And he moved out to Las Vegas when he was 16 years old to get a job. He barely graduated high school because he was working so much. That set the stage for my childhood. My mom was a stay at home mom. And what we knew and heard about money and life was very traditional. And very I have different money types that I teach in my world but very scarcity minded. Be good with your money. There's not a lot of it. No, you can't do that. We don't have the money. It seemed like everything that we did or didn't do in our family was because we had or didn't have the money to do it.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:04:42

So the end and the outright. We have it. We don't have it. We can do it today. Can't do it tomorrow.

Lisa Chastain: 00:04:49

Yeah. And my mom, my mom did a great job of managing the budget. scrumping by managing every penny that we had. My dad never made more than 16 $1,000 a year. What I knew as a little girl was that I was going to graduate high school, get married and have four kids. Because that's what you did. Cuz, right, all the ambitions, aspirations that I had, and I love my parents, we have such a great relationship today. So this has nothing against them. It's just that the conversations that were had around me and with me as a kid was, Don't dream very big. And no, you can't do it. So every time I took on a leadership position, or every time I wanted to do something big, it was shut down. It was like No, and it's scary. So folding into the book. It was the I had, I had left my safe, comfortable job, which my brother sister and I all went on that path as kids where we all got safe jobs, because that's what my dad told us to do. Don't take on management roles. Don't rock the boat. Don't take on more than you have to play it safe. Make sure you have health insurance.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:05:59

That's really funny. And don't forget have that health insurance or health insurance.

Lisa Chastain: 00:06:03

So anytime I tried to get outside of that box in my 20s, it was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I love my parents so much, I would listen to them because I trusted them. And I was not born for that life. That was not in my heart. I remember listening to like Kelly Clarkson songs as a kid like about dreaming big. And I was like, There's something more for me. There's something more for me, I've got to figure out what that is. So I left my safe, comfortable job in 2011. into the world of nowhere, my life fell apart and came together all at the same time. And that long

Hilary DeCesare: 00:06:41

did that. How long did that really happen? Like, how long did it take place? Like you say that you left it all behind? And it fell apart? But then it came back together? Yeah.

Lisa Chastain: 00:06:49

So 31. I left my career, I was the Director of Advising for the Honors College at UNLV. So I was in a very high position working around America's greatest students. I was at the top of my game. And I had a three year old at home, who needed me more than and I was like, I got to do this. What I know now is I certainly sabotage that. Because still my mindset was your you need to be a stay at home mom, you need to be home with this kid. So I did what a lot of women do, and I fell on the sword. And I left my career which I loved. I left all of my earning potential behind because my husband was what I thought on the up and up in his career to be a stay at home mom. So three years of wine therapy and couch time with Oprah. And break down and depression. And my my husband, my now ex husband lost his job nine months after I left my job. Oh my gosh, that was a very fast spiral down. And I stayed there for a minute. I stayed there for a few years. Because I didn't know who I was anymore. I didn't know who I was without my job. I didn't know who I was without having to go to work. I love my son who's 15 and a half today. I love him more than anything and I was lost.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:08:14

I was lost. So when your husband X lost his job, how long did it take him to get another job. And then when did the separation occur?

Lisa Chastain: 00:08:26

He was in and out of work for the rest of our marriage. He'd get a job lose a job the first time he was out of work for four or five months. And that's when the alcohol when the drinking really apparent for us. For both of us. Honestly, alcohol had been my coping mechanism and my family's coping mechanism. And so it makes sense that I attracted an alcoholic husband. And he never he never got back on his feet.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:08:55

Mm hmm. So how long did it take before you said Hey, enough is enough? When

Lisa Chastain: 00:08:59

he's 16 was the year that it started to awaken in me that I had to get out of this marriage. So 31 Which was 2011 to 2016. Five years.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:09:13

Wow. Yeah. This you had this boy that you were trying to raise. And so you end up saying it's time was there a moment where it just got too bad was there that you know, rock bottom plays? What was it?

Lisa Chastain: 00:09:32

So in 2014, I thought it would be well I knew I had to go back to work. I just knew it. But I knew when I left UNLV that I was going to never work for anyone ever again. I was like this is not I'm not and so I kept dancing with the idea of going back going back to work and I was like no, that's not in my heart. So I want to work for myself. And then the question was, What am I going to do? And I got an email from Farmers Insurance. So that said, I could make $400,000 a year as a Farmers Insurance agent. And I was like, no shit.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:10:08

Like, that sounds pretty good to me.

Lisa Chastain: 00:10:09

I'm not making any money right now. So that sounds amazing. And it was the spark. I called my best friend who was a financial advisor at the time. And I said, Hey, is this true? She said, Yeah, but why don't you come work with me and become a financial advisor? And I was like, Well, okay. financial independence. That sounded attractive to me, because I hadn't figured out how to have that yet. outside of my comfort zone, love that want to learn something new that I've never done before. I know nothing about money. Why not? And I went for it.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:10:41

So how long did you work there?

Lisa Chastain: 00:10:44

Well, I didn't, I didn't work for anyone. I actually went as an independent and started draining from my 401k to support it and build it. So at the same time, my financial life is going downhill with my husband, now ex husband, I was draining my savings account to open a business that I knew nothing about. So great plan, right.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:11:09

That is interesting, isn't it? Yeah. You know, when you get behind the behind the covers, you're like, Oh, am I and and so I think back about, you know, your your dad saying you know about the don't dream very big don't, it must have been like you are living in two different worlds.

Lisa Chastain: 00:11:26

I had to break up with a lot of people in my life. Yeah, I had to break up with my family for a minute, it was very painful. We're back together all as well. But when you say how long it was 31, the divorce, I initiated the divorce in 2017. And I wrote the book in 2017. And it really wasn't until 2019, that I felt like I had been, um, that I was on the other side of any of it. So that was an eight

Hilary DeCesare: 00:11:52

where you would you've got eight year journey, it sounds like but when you got divorced, there really wasn't too much even split between you. So you were really starting out at that. Literally, was it a zero mark? Or did you have a little bit still left? You said you're spending out of your 401 K to even start this entrepreneurial journey that you're going on? Yeah.

Lisa Chastain: 00:12:17

So in 2016, I had seen my $100,000 401k go down and down and down and down. And it was down to $20,000. And so from a business sense, I knew that if I didn't do something because I wasn't making any money as a financial advisor, I was failing fast. And I was out of my comfort zone. And I couldn't figure it out. My business partner and I were not getting along. So everything just seemed to come to a big head and 2016. And so I had those I had $20,000 left. And I hired a coach.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:12:51

I said So that right there. I mean, you must have been like just shaking in your boots, because you got $20,000 You're like, I'm going to hire a coach, I'm going to spend money on that. What? What made you decide to do that, like, what really what happened and even getting that coach?

Lisa Chastain: 00:13:09

Well, I had been stalking her online. And she was talking to financial advisors about how to make better money, how to make more money, she was speaking my language because I wasn't making any money. And I was like, Well, I think she can help me. So I scheduled a call with her. I paid her think at that point, maybe 500 bucks to have a call with her. And I was shaking, because I didn't think that she would let me hire her. I was like this, she's too successful. She's not gonna let me hire. So I'm shaking, and I pay her and then she makes me an offer to join a six month program of hers for $10,000. So here I am. I've got $20,000 left to my name. Like, I'm going to do it. I'm gonna do it.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:13:49

You just you trust it. It was that wise woman that voice in your head saying you got to do this.

Lisa Chastain: 00:13:54

I had to do it for me. I had to vote for myself. And I had to for once jump all in on what it was that I wanted, regardless of what anybody around me was saying. So that was my relaunch moment in July of 2016. But

Hilary DeCesare: 00:14:10

you know what you did there was you decided, you decided I'm putting this money in. I mean, that's the type of client, any of the you I love to work with, because you're all in all and you're like failing is not an option, right? I'm

Lisa Chastain: 00:14:28

already failing. What do I have to lose? And let's go. Let's

Hilary DeCesare: 00:14:31

go. Yeah, this is this is this is bottom mark. Let's go. Wow, this is so interesting. So then when did the book start to come into because you said that that wasn't even like that's when the true relaunch happened.

Lisa Chastain: 00:14:46

Yeah, so in 2015 I went I did an abundance and prosperity course and I did a vision board. And so I wrote on my vision board. I was going to have two books and I was going to be in two main magazines, and I laughed at myself. When I did that, like, that's never going to happen, but okay, fine, I'm just gonna put it on my vision board. So I hire my coach in 2016, I fly out to New Jersey, I don't even have enough money on my credit card to pay for the hotel room. I'm just like, bring that my my credit card clears. And I jump in learn what you need to learn. I learned how to make money. She taught me how to make money. I didn't know how to do that, as an employee and a blue collar girl, you're not taught that. Learn how to make the money. And that January of 2017, I decided I was going to write the book.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:15:33

Okay, I gotta ask you, what still resonates with you about learn how to make money.

Lisa Chastain: 00:15:40

Every it's everything. So you

Hilary DeCesare: 00:15:43

really feel like this. This is like all the steps, all the things that she did all the guidance. But is there is there any that you can give the listeners that are like, okay, as we keep moving, because I know we got a lot more to cover. And we still have to, we have to be talking about this stop budgeting for good. I gotta get to that point. But it one, one of the top tips that you took away from that.

Lisa Chastain: 00:16:07

What your worth is what you say your worth?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:16:11

might drop right there. That's so good. What your worth is, is what you say it is. Everybody out there, listen to that. That's just so important. Okay, so now keep us going down this path. We're on this bullet train. Now. This is so good.

Lisa Chastain: 00:16:29

Yeah. So January 2017, I decided I'm going to write a book, I hire a self publishing publisher who taught who was going to, you know, get me through the whole process. That's another that that that was ended up being another $15,000 investment. And I was in, I was all in, right. And I was like, This sounds really scary. But what do I need to do? That's like, that sounds like a horrible idea what time, right.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:16:52

So this is so good. Yes. I love that. You're just like, You know what, like, Tell me when you're making these big financial decisions? What, like, what is the process for you? Is it like, what happens?

Lisa Chastain: 00:17:09

Well, until this day, and you know, this isn't I think, I think more entrepreneurs can resonate with this than non entrepreneurs. But I was basically like, well, if I don't spend the money, I'm fucked. So

Hilary DeCesare: 00:17:23

it's like, you know, you're in a bind, right? You know, Option A or B, and they both, you know, hey, one is really bad, the other is going to cost me a lot. But either way, I got to do something. That's

Lisa Chastain: 00:17:36

right. So I made the investment. I said, Tell me what to do. And they told me what to do. And I did it. And I earned in that 10 months of, you know, 2016, throwing my all my cards in to deciding to write the book, investing in all of that I made $120,000 Oh,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:17:57

God, this is a great story. Okay, that's amazing. All right. So then you're writing this book. And what happens?

Lisa Chastain: 00:18:07

Well, I'm making money. I'm promoting the book, before it's written, I'm doing everything they're telling me to do. I have this amazing support system around me of other people who have believed in me, not even my family at that time, because they were scared for me. They're like, this is not safe. Don't do it. We don't agree with you. In August of 2017, I flew home from one of the weekends with my coaches, and I told my husband I wanted to divorce. So it was through investing in myself, and then I was making money. And by making money, then I knew I could make more money. And I was done with the marriage. So it was it was so scary. He wasn't making any money. I was barely making, you know, three 4000 Cash Flow three or $4,000 a month, but it was enough. It was enough. And I was like, This is it? I'm done.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:18:58

And then there's that point where you had been married

Lisa Chastain: 00:19:01

how long? almost 16 years? Yeah,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:19:04

there's that point and I remember it very well sitting down and talking to a financial advisor and understanding really what happens when you get divorced. And I was like, oh, and he said, this is kind of you know, what you're gonna have to be doing which goes into the budgeting and you're gonna have to be you know, really looking at this and we need to start thinking about long term and I just remember all of this like data coming out man, I'm like, Oh my God, you think it's going to be like this the emotional side of it. And you know, the heart side like Oh, my God, the failure of this, the kids what's going to happen and then it's the head side where you're like, Okay, now I'm, I'm, I need to figure this out. So tell us like, what, like what from that point? You're getting the divorce, you're writing the book? What's going what's going on with you?

Lisa Chastain: 00:19:59

I've never Ever felt more excited and validated in my life by making those decisions and no one made those decisions for me, I had to in the middle of the night wrestle with myself, and figure out for myself what I really wanted, and what I was what I was willing to do to get it.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:20:20

Lisa, you're badass. I really, really am enjoying this story. This is like, wow, yeah. Okay, so yeah, it actually is lighting you up. It's igniting something in you. Yeah, I'm

Lisa Chastain: 00:20:33

like on fire. And I'm scared. Yeah, but I dance on the edge. I mean, what I realized about myself is that I'm meant to be an entrepreneur and taking risks turns me on. And I was raised in a risk adverse environment, which is why I'm so passionate about teaching, what I teach taking neuro neuro linguistic programming, and putting it together with money is that when we can put those two together, I broke through so many layers of limiting beliefs and decisions that I had made about myself from such a young age. And then I just learned how to connect money to it. And I was like, let's go, let's

Hilary DeCesare: 00:21:09

go. So you always talk about that actual people should stop budgeting for good. I mean, and I read that and I'm like, as I'm going through my, you know, my next year's budget, I'm like, Ah, okay, help me understand your philosophy around that.

Lisa Chastain: 00:21:27

So it's equivalent to trying to figure out where you want to go by looking through the rearview mirror. In a lot of ways, for a lot of people I'm not saying for everyone a budget is a is a mechanism of control. And it's, it's almost always you're looking back at what happened, versus how to really look forward and understand how the decisions you're making are getting you closer to where it is that you want to be. Also, for me, in a in a very traditional sense of budgeting, in my non very non analytical brain, it's too much. I don't want to do it. I don't want to know what I spent on groceries, do I really care what I spend on groceries? Do I really like I have this entertainment, pot, this entertainment money, but I don't really know exactly how to navigate that. And so for myself, I needed to simplify it. And then for my clients who also hate budgeting, they were like, Tell me more. How can I do this. And now it's a simple streamlined way of structuring where your money is at any given moment, so that you don't have to hardcore budgets, you just need to, you know, stay connected to where your money is, and for what purpose?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:22:43

So are you saying, Lisa, this is not only in your personal life, but professional as well, if you're running a company,

Lisa Chastain: 00:22:49

I think that companies, companies can be a little bit more sophisticated, I think they need to be based in there's there's cash flow, there's profit and loss, all of those things. But Profit First model is a similar way of thinking about your money. And it's ultimately a really healthy way to manage your cash flow, in my opinion. Okay, so

Hilary DeCesare: 00:23:10

Profit First, tell us about if we're thinking about this, from my personal perspective, right. Now, let's just talk about that. What you said simple stops, I am queen of simplicity, right now. That's my word for this next year, simplify. So give it to me give it to me, in simple terms,

Lisa Chastain: 00:23:31

let's simplify this. So from your personal standpoint, what I know is that most Americans are still banking out of one account. I don't know if that's you, but most people that come to me for coaching and support, they still have every single transaction running through the same account. So you're paying your bills, you're running your debit card out of that account. And It's total chaos. And maybe you have some budget somewhere on a spreadsheet, but it never correlates to what's going on in your bank account. And that can be very confusing. And then if you have two people using a debit card out of that account, then that's where the husbands and wives and spouses and partners are in a conversation about you spent this you spent that oh my god, I didn't realize this bill was going out. You can imagine the stress, I can see your face.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:24:13

Yeah, no, no. And I hear this all the time. People don't know. Well, I thought I had enough in there. But I didn't know that Nick actually went out and bought this or I didn't know that David did this. I'm like, okay, Goddess, I agree with you, you have to have separate.

Lisa Chastain: 00:24:30

That's right. So move your money separated out by purpose. And to simplify it, keep it super simple. You have an operating account, I'm talking about an actual bank account. Money goes into that account, and you pay your bills out of that account. You do not use a debit card, ever, ever, ever, ever from that account? That one thing, you take your spending money you transfer your spending money into a spending account. The end you use that money To spend period. That's it. Okay,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:25:02

so let's say let's just say to make this super simple for everyone, you've got a Wells Fargo account. Yep. I see what you're saying is to actually have multiple accounts with multiple different numbers. Yep. I love that. And I love I'm doing that. That is so good. Great. This is

Lisa Chastain: 00:25:24

ours, we nickname ours. So my husband's account that we have the eagle account because on his debit card, it's a picture of the eagle. He says, Hey, what were what money do I use? I said, use the eagle account. He's like, That's so easy. There's money in the account. I want to buy the thing. There we go. If there's an account, I don't buy the thing.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:25:42

So his is the eagle account. what's your what's yours? What do you name yours?

Lisa Chastain: 00:25:48

So the household account is the eagle account. Okay? His that's where we spend our money for the boys for food whenever I got remarried, by the way. Hey,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:25:58

that's awesome. I did too. Yes, it's a good thing. Beautiful

Lisa Chastain: 00:26:04

thing. His account is just Jimmy's account, he gets money in that account, he can buy whatever the heck he wants out of that account. I don't really care because money goes in there weekly. And he has addiction, Dixon flannel, you know, he loves those right now, whatever, by however many, because that's what it's for. That's the guilt free spending that I'm talking about put in an account for a purpose use it for that purpose. sleep well at night.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:26:26

Ah, so this is how you talk about build wealth guilt free. Because you know, you have an account that, but how do you let me ask you, how do you not have one partner spend more than the other?

Lisa Chastain: 00:26:43

It's it's values and agreement. So there's, there's priorities, there's vision, what I also have every single every single week, so I structure this weekly, I have money going into savings accounts for different purposes. So I also have a household reserve account. So if my husband's like, shoot, I need to buy, we need to replace the toilet. Can I buy a toilet today? Yeah, let me just move money. You're good to go. Sounds like

Hilary DeCesare: 00:27:11

you're managing the money. I have always have. Okay, that's just, you know, what's funny is that I manage the money with my first husband. And now, I equally do it with my husband now because I think that he was used to doing it on his own. And I was used to doing it on our own. So I was like, okay, but it's working out really well. So one of the things you said is these accounts. So how many accounts do you actually have?

Lisa Chastain: 00:27:38

We have five in the household. Specifically, I have five cash accounts. Okay, so we have bills, which is nicknamed bills, so Jimmy knows not to touch it, because it's bills that are paid out of that account. Jimmy? So it's called Jimmy, that's his account. We have cash account, the eagle account. And then we have two savings accounts.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:27:59

So good. I love this. So you talk about simplifying that, right? Have these accounts. And even though it seems like on the surface, it might be more work initially to set it up because you're dividing in the long run. It's just it's it does help to simplify because you now this is that account, this is this and you can name it do a nickname. Is there something else that you also recommend? Because I do want to get into the money types? Oh,

Lisa Chastain: 00:28:30

yeah. Okay, so final thing, there's two kinds of savings, Save to save, save to spend. What was the difference? If you looked at so save to save that money for us goes over to our Charles Schwab account, it's for long term savings. It goes into our Roth different for different purposes, right? So I move money into my saved to save account, and then I divvy it out based on the goals that we have. That's That's money that my husband knows we don't touch on touch, save to spend my clients go they love this concept because save to spend for a lot of them ends up being their travel and fun account. You're just tucking it aside and earmarking it so that when you want to buy plane tickets are when you want to book the next all inclusive, you have money that's there for that. It's peace of mind because you

Hilary DeCesare: 00:29:21

Lisa, this is so good because you know a lot of people, they want to go on a trip and they just they buy their tickets, they do this, there's no calibration of well, how much do we really want to spend in that bucket for the year. And what you're doing is you're actually you're not holding like you're not saying you can only do this you can only do that you just know that this is what you have allocated. This is so how do you want to do it? Wow, that's

Lisa Chastain: 00:29:53

the freedom comes with the choices. You're giving yourself choices. And then you Want to also then understand the consequence of that choice? No one's telling you what to do. I don't like anybody telling me what to do. Right?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:30:07

Especially around money. Totally. Yeah. Okay, so what are the money types that you talk about? And how can we actually use them?

Lisa Chastain: 00:30:15

Okay, so there's the five money types that I teach her from Robin crane. She's my mentor. She's the one that I hired back in 2016. She's my best one of my best friends today. Money types. And if anybody's familiar with the disc, they they really, they work around the disc. So we've got delusional Delilah, Hello, nice. Where the big dreamers where the Tony Robbins of the world we think big we dream big. Most of us are entrepreneurs. And we have a bit of delusion about us with our money because we're going to do it whether we have the money or not, which can drive other money types pretty crazy. But we're going to we're going to dream big, so we need to make sure that our money moves in that way, like be like Grant Cardone 10x Your activity around your money. So for me learning how to make more money was a dream come true for delusional Delilah, because now I can think big dream big and go make it happen.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:31:09

So your Delilah? Oh, totally. Okay, I haven't heard the other ones yet. But I'm kind of already leaning in that that part as well. I think that might be me. Okay.

Lisa Chastain: 00:31:19

Okay, so then they're centered. Sally's spendthrift Sally loves to spend money but oftentimes it might look similar to delusional Delilah, but the why behind it is so different spend through Sally's spend money, but don't often think through the consequences of that. They can be more impulsive with money. They don't slow down very long. They don't want to track their money. There can be problems that come with all of these money types. Spend through Sally's tend to be the most abundant though they are like, let's go let's do this. Anything's possible. I'll just go make more money. And then the opposite of the Spencer, Sally use the cheap chip. So my parents Oh, good. So they're so cute. I love how Robin did it so that she or my parents, they were raised very Depression era kind of mentality mindset. Dave Ramsey is a cheap chip. Don't spend money on anything you don't need, save, save, save. It can be more of a hoarder mentality when it comes to money. And they come from scarcity a lot and fear and they don't trust. So those are some of the downfalls of the teeth chip. On the other side of it, they could end up having 100,000 $200,000 in the bank and still think they're broke.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:32:32

So interesting. My mom passed and I'm thinking oh my god, this was so my mom. She had money but then you know, she passes we're like, what the heck she had that. Mom was always like, I just don't have enough money. I just don't have money to do that yet. She you know would sit there and be like, okay, but I'll I'll go with you. It's just so funny. Oh my god, this is so good. Okay, and then what's number four? Number

Lisa Chastain: 00:32:56

four is the we have over Janice Olivia. overgenerous Olivia is my second money personality. They they we are the people of the planet who wake up in service to others. Want to serve others? A lot of overgenerous Olivia's have nonprofits or want to have nonprofits. They're nurses, they give, give, give, give give financially, they don't take care of themselves. They take care of other people first, and that can cause a lot of dis ease and resentment financially isn't a generous Olivia, bailing people out not having firm boundaries that has shown up for me over and over in my life. I'm breaking through it.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:33:35

I'm sorry, what if we What if I'm like sitting here? I'm like, huh, little of that little of this little of that, you know, yeah.

Lisa Chastain: 00:33:42

Here's my belief. We are one of these as a superpower. The others could be learned. Now if we go back to our imprinting years and our modeling years for me, I have a lot of chip in me. It's not a superstar. It's actually where my parents taught me about money. And how money

Hilary DeCesare: 00:34:03

that makes sense was what was number five?

Lisa Chastain: 00:34:06

avoider, Alice avoider, Alice tends to bury their head in the sand. They don't like talking about their problems. They don't like looking at their problems. You'll hit their like wrote their like rosy colored sunglasses like oh, it's gonna be fine. Don't worry about it. It'll be okay. That's my ex husband. It'll be fine. It's never fine. But in their minds, it's fine. Don't worry about it.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:34:30

Oh, I think these are so good. Do you have something on your website or in your program where there's something that people could take around this to understand what what category they would predominantly fall in?

Lisa Chastain: 00:34:45

Sure I one of my podcast episodes so on my podcast, you can find the money personalities podcast episode. It's one of the earlier ones. And in the new year, I'm launching a whole new money personalities class for that reason, because it's

Hilary DeCesare: 00:34:58

as last I knew you would I knew that. That was so good. Okay, we're running out of time here. What is the absolute worst financial advice that you've ever gotten?

Lisa Chastain: 00:35:06

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, well, in sales, it was cast a wide net work with them.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:35:15

Isn't that true? Yes. That's what we were all taught you gotta go wide, you know, just massively blanket everything, which

Lisa Chastain: 00:35:24

is really hard to do. And I failed doing that. So that was that was horrible advice.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:35:28

And now as an entrepreneur, it's narrow down, right? Narrow your niche. What are you really Who are you really trying to sell to everybody? So that's, that's good.

Lisa Chastain: 00:35:38

Yeah. And you're not going to be surprised to hear this one. But honestly, you have to budget. You have to budget for someone who doesn't think that way doesn't want to be that way. For me, that was crushing my spirit and my soul thinking that I had to do something. And I really wasn't that great at it. And I still get heat about this. So on YouTube, I talk about it and people get they're like, Well, you don't know what you're talking about. And you're not good with money. There's lots of ways to be good with money.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:36:04

Okay, but I gotta say, we just talked about stop budgeting for good. Yeah.

Lisa Chastain: 00:36:09

So for me that like you said, worst financial advice for me, for me was that I have to budget.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:36:16

Okay, everyone, hopefully you were following that because I wasn't. Late night, late night flight last night did me and okay, that makes sense. Because that goes right back to what we have already talked about. Got it. Okay. This has been incredible. I have loved it. Where can people find out more about you?

Lisa Chastain: 00:36:39

The easiest way is to go to Lisa chasteen.com. Everything's there, my blog, my podcast, all of it. And then if you want to find me on Instagram at Savvy money with Lisa

Hilary DeCesare: 00:36:52

you know what, I gotta throw this one out. Since right now when we are when we're taping this show, it is the holiday season. What would you say is your go to right now and I love that you're the finance girl. What is your go to in terms of the best product that you're giving away right now or that you would recommend to somebody? Whether it's beauty, whether it's product, whether it's anything?

Lisa Chastain: 00:37:15

My best product? I'm a I'm a huge fan of lip gloss. So So

Hilary DeCesare: 00:37:22

am I my lips are so dry right now. Which one do you love?

Lisa Chastain: 00:37:26

So my best friend Gail and I shout out to Gail we love these Mentha lips by the Bath and Bodyworks I'll be honest with you, I've tried everything and they have different tints and different colors. These are my absolute favorite. I give them out to everybody that I can.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:37:41

No way. Everywhere. So Bath Body Works. You said Bath

Lisa Chastain: 00:37:48

and Bodyworks Okay. Mentha lip tint

Hilary DeCesare: 00:37:51

mento Mentha, because I'm going to go ahead and put this on our show notes as well, Lisa, so much fun talking to you today. Thank you for coming on the ReLaunch podcast and delivering the goods. And you gave us a lot to think about I love these whole personas these, you know money. I'm like, oh gosh, I've really got to dive into that. And for everyone out there you know what sometimes we talked about fear today. When you look fear in the eye. Fear does not look back at you, you can break through it. It's no longer that scary. And so Lisa has given us incredible advice today and you can go check out she said she's coming up with more courses, more goodness that she's going to be giving entrepreneurs. So definitely go check that out and everyone at this point, you know, it's always about live now. Love now. But let's relaunch you into a different Money Story in this next year next quarter for you. And that starts today. All right, everyone. I look forward to seeing you next week when we have another incredible guests. Take care everyone. See you next time.