Finding Your Intuition on the Road to Relaunch!

Hilary DeCesare: 00:00:00

Welcome and how I am so glad that you're here today. Why because there is something that we are going to be discussing on the relaunch podcast show that you may have been starting to think about in your own life. And it might be percolating up even today, but you don't know how to fully embrace it. You don't know how to go from old way of thinking to new way of thinking. And today, I am thrilled to be talking to Danielle Rama Hoffman. She is a four time best selling author, international channel and legacy work coach to 1000s around the world. She is the CO creator with her business partner and guide Thoth of the Magdalene Manifestation Cards, which is a 44 card deck and guidebook set that actually helps you daily. The multi D abundance method, the Divine Light activation and the Ascended Master Academy are all incredible things that she has created. She specifically helps with leading coaches, healers, mentors, and spiritual teachers to embody their divine self, I call it highest self and create their unique legacy body of work through books, programs and in your business with source. And here's the greatest part. She's bringing in that source, whatever that will be for you to add 50,000 to your bottom line any time you choose. So I have to say so fun. I love conversations like this, where we take you out of your comfort zone. And that's exactly what I'm going to be doing with Danielle today.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:02:19

You're listening to the ReLaunch podcast and I'm your host Hilary DeCesare, best selling author, speaker and transformational coach widely recognized in the worlds of neuro psychology and business launches, which cultivated the one and only three HQ method helping midlife women. Yep, that's me to rebuild a life of purpose, possibility and inspiring business ventures. Each week, we'll be diving into the stories that brought upon the most inspirational relaunches while sharing the methods and the secrets that they learned along the way, so that you too, can have not just an ordinary relaunch, but an extraordinary relaunch.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:03:08

Welcome to the show, Danielle, so great to have you.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:03:12

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Thank you. So happy to be here. Hello, everyone.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:03:16

And you're actually right now in the south of France, which is one of my absolute favorite places. And we're going to talk about how life brought you there as well. So what I always like to do is for people that you know, aren't necessarily familiar with your relaunch journey. I want to start there with who you you know, Where where are you when this moment of, oh, my gosh,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:03:43

Danielle Rama Hoffman: I'm on the wrong path.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:03:45

I need to make a change. When did all that happen? So please share with us your relaunch story.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:03:52

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Yeah, well, for me, I really started in my early 20s as a healing practitioner, a massage therapist, counselor, Reiki teacher, and my relaunch journey really started where I really got the sense of like, shifting from teaching, and practicing my mentors modalities, which were known and tested, and really feeling the call to bring in my unique bodies of work, and to relaunch my business based on those unique bodies of work that weren't known and tested. And that was really an incredible moment where I was so grateful for the success that I'd created. And yet I really knew that there was something inside me that was ready to relaunch to emerge to bubble up and Sufi brought forth into the world in that very unique way, of course, on the foundation of all the education and training and experience that I had built, yet transformed alchemize into something that was new. So that's a nutshell of my relaunched journey.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:05:08

Well, and you know what's so fascinating, Daniela, I often say, who knew we could be so good for you? And when you think about, yeah, you got it. I was one of those that I just kept pushing down anything that wasn't logic based head based my whole, my whole process framework is around three HQ, head, heart, highest self get out of your head into your heart. So you can tap into that highest self. And yet, so many of us have this kind of intuitive like, ah, there might be something more that I could be doing bringing into my business, that is not just logically based, right? Because we've all taken those courses, we've all seen step one to 10 do this, and you will be successful. And what happens? Everyone is not successful, right? There's always the the outliers that, hey, they had that one success, but for a majority of us, that's not what happens. So you and I've read all about you. And I was so fascinated, because you had very successful businesses, and all of a sudden you opened up to getting into your heart getting into and allowing the highest self this best version of you this, this spiritual side come in. How did that happen? Huh?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:06:35

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Yeah, well, I love what you shared about, like, who knew Whoo, could be so profound for it

Hilary DeCesare: 00:06:41

and go for you. i Good for you. It is, it's crazy.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:06:44

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Yeah, cuz, you know, I totally get that. And as kind of a hybrid of being very high achieving, motivated, like, let's get stuff done. And then also Whoo, and intuitive. And really being able to merge those two, what is and continues to be just so essential in a lot of what I help clients with as well. Because often, whether it's the head or the heart, and the higher self, usually there is some kind of a, there's two sides of us. And so the logical brain, the the High Achiever goes, ooh, if I really lean into this intuition, am I gonna just jump off the cliff, like, where's it going, and yet, often, we've gone as far as we can with the logical mind. So I just really wanted to underscore what you shared there, and that I see it on both sides, for those that are already Woo to really embrace the physical tangible, like you have to do these things to be in a professional business, not like you have to do these things. But these are the part of having a physical, tangible business that's viable. And then also the other side of those that have built success. And then they're starting to embrace more of that, whoo. And I really carry both of those as I I know you do as well to be grounded, and on the physical plane, as well as being tapped into that higher self. So back to your original question, like, where did it start? And and when did it happen? You know, I feel like for me, it was a series of breadcrumbs of like, following the Yes. And coming to that place where I just I've always been so committed to how can I really contribute at the highest level? Like, how can I really assist others in their own leading themselves to change their lives. And I felt like with the modalities that I had, as I started, you know, in counseling and talking like that got to a certain point, but it wasn't including everything the same with the body work or the energy work. So for me, it really was coming from that place of Yes, folks are getting results. And yet I sense there's more, that if all of this was integrated, and there was even more of that higher self that was followed, then that would become possible. So of course, my energy work training, and all of that kind of was my first reintroduction in this lifetime, I would say, to working with guides or the non physical energy, the higher planes, however, each of you may qualify that because maybe it's nature, maybe it's your gut feeling. Maybe it is the higher self, maybe it's the intuition, that we all have that and yet, it's unique to us and how we might talk about it as well. Is for me important that we all have our own framework around that.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:09:56

Well, you know, what's great that you just said is that you We all have it, let's just talk intuition. And there are so many people that don't want to trust their intuition. What is it about? How do you describe intuition? First off? And how do you help someone really harness their own intuition.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:10:21

Danielle Rama Hoffman: I like to speak about intuition that we all have like signature signals, and signature like unique to us. Like we all have these signals that are guiding us along the way, that inner compass. And again, depending if we're more visual, or more, more kinesthetic, or more, even in the thinking mind, those signature signals are going to come to us in the ways that are the most aligned for us. And there's often a trajectory. So I started off very visual when I first started tuning into my intuition where I would see almost like little movies in my mind. And then you know, if, and then it went into more kinesthetic, where I just would feel like my body leaning into something if it was a yes, or my body leaning out if it was a no. And then you know, evolved to where it became more auditory. And that I was really receiving guidance, of course, discerning where's the guidance coming from is, is a deeper conversation. So to me that intuition, how I would define it is really our inner knowing. And that the way that we navigate it, and access, it is going to be unique to each of us, and sometimes even to the moment like whatever is going to be the most efficient way to get our attention. And something that I often see is that a lot of individuals like bulldoze over their intuition. And, and then what starts to happen is like the things happen in our lives where things get louder, and louder and louder and louder. And I think that's probably the precipice for a lot of relaunches, where there's some disconnect and something's not working. And then we try to look at, well, why why isn't it working? Maybe that's clients have gone away, or there's a lack of fulfillment, or somebody may have a physical health issue that's kind of getting the attention. So I feel like the the intuition starts softer, like the subtle, a nice whisper. And then depending on whether we're, we're paying attention, it can get louder and louder and louder and louder, not in a punishment kind of a way, but just in a like, here, here it is, are you choosing to listen or not? Well, I

Hilary DeCesare: 00:12:44

remember when I was at Oracle, and I was at High Tech or call for about almost 10 years. And I would have these like, in the way I have it where I know I'm on to something is I kind of statically like I get this, the chills just literally like shoot down. Not just my arms, but my whole body. So I'll be like, ah, intuition I got I got Yeah. But during the time I was at Oracle, I remember these, I would have the same things happen. And I'd be like, Ah, I cannot. I can not say to somebody who's asking me what is, you know, what's my forecast how much revenue I'm going to bring in? And they asked me, you know, well, how do you know that? You know, what steps are you doing? And I say, Well, I just have this like feeling I just had these tingles go from my head to my tail. So I just kept pushing, pushing them down, pushing down, don't want to, don't want even think about that. And I know a lot of people have the same thing that we're not we're so accustomed to the world that we grew up in that trusting intuition was not seen as something that we should necessarily be doing right. It's come on logic based IQ based steps, procedures, systems so important. But yet, where are you seeing people as they start to think about all right, I'm gonna give this whole intuition a try, I'm going to start to lean more into it. What can people do to begin that process of building up their intuition? And do you think it's like a muscle or what how do you how do you really like say, This is what that is? Hmm. Well,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:14:29

Danielle Rama Hoffman: I come from the basis and you named it already that we all have it and and that really does demystifies it because like on my channel, I'm on the spectrum, right? Like I have a lot of years of experience I've had cultivate it. And yet there's nothing special about me in the sense that I believe there's probably nothing special about me but in the sense of like, everybody has it, right we all have it in our own way. And so I think that's kind of step one like demystifying the that you you have your intuition and And, and then knowing that you have it, I do like to kind of slow it down a little bit because sometimes individuals aren't choosing to receive their guidance, because then there's like that, oh, I've got it, implement it. So I like to slow it down and say, Okay, number one, you have it. Number two, receiving it is its own step. And then number three, you get to choose to implement it or not. Because a lot of times what I see with folks that are overriding or ignoring is there that like, oh, this intuition is gonna blow up my whole life, I'm going to have to implement it, well, you still get to discern you, you get to choose whether you're going to go that path or not, or how faster and go on that path or not. So I think that can just calm the nervous system down, demystify the whole process, and then can really have the space to receive. So I like to liken it to breathing that we inhale, we have the breath, and we circulate the breath. And so we can receive the intuition, have the intuition, discern it, and then exhale, choose to implement it out into the world. And that it really can be as natural as that. So in terms of how somebody can cultivate their intuition, it's starting to pay attention to those signature signals, like you talked about goosebumps. I know, some people will get like truth tears, like when they hear truth from somebody else, or they have those moments of truth. It it's not sadness, it's really like truth, tears, that they're in the presence of that of that truth. So I feel like in some ways, and I shared it already, the simplest place to start, may be identifying like a yes or no. And to me again, like, I lean in when it's a yes, my body or I lean out when it's a no. And you hinted at it earlier, too, I can imagine, like, when you were at Oracle, and you knew it was time to relaunch, like maybe driving in or, like when we're when we're not on the right path, there's usually some or a cycle is completed, there's usually some indication where it may also show up as like, heavy. There's a heaviness like, Oh, if I keep, yeah, I was a business owner and massage for my first business that I had. And I just like, if I just like kept going in, and teaching massage, it just felt heavy. And so I know, we're talking a lot about business moves, but even like moving to France, I could have stayed in Seattle, and on the path that I was on, and it was very successful and all that, yet, there it just started to there was like a heaviness and, and moving into the other path was lighter. So just to kind of summarize that, because I know, I Firehose there, you know, like, step one is we all have our intuition. Step two is you can relax and receive it. Step three is then you can choose to implement, implement it or not. And then kind of the really, underneath step two of how you receive it is that is starting to pay attention to your signature signals. And those signature signals may come in terms of like heavy light, yes, no. Goosebumps, truth tears. For me, a lot of times, my news would come in the middle of the night, like I'd wake up and just know of something. Think it's harder for the those that know. Like, I know we're talking a little bit about the whoo language like Clairsentience the kinesthetic clairvoyant seeing clairaudience hearing, but the clear cognizance, knowing I find that the Knowers in the world have the hardest time when you're starting to listen to what you know. Because it's like you don't know you don't know, you don't know, you don't know, you don't know. And then all of a sudden, you know, so that part of not knowing can seem like nothing's going on. But there's a lot going on.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:19:21

You know what I find fascinating about what you just said, I remember pushing it down, pushing it down, like okay, I'm not going there. I'm not going there. And, like you said, in the steps where you have the discernment to say I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm leaning into this or not, and I kept not that the universe kept giving me more and more, and the heaviness. I remember I was at literally the top of my career and had just had like, the greatest thing that I could have ever wanted. And it felt like lackluster it was just like rare or like I just I Mike, what is wrong with me? And I literally thought, What is wrong with me? Why is this happening? Now, hindsight, silver linings, I can look back and say, oh my gosh, that was my highest self kind of directing me to move on, as you said, going from Seattle, to France, I had that moment of, I gotta get out of corporate, I gotta get out of here, I need to be an entrepreneur, I need to move forward, I have more that I want to bring to the world. But there was a moment where I had a couple missteps. And I thought, Oh, my God, my intuition is so wrong. So wrong. And how do you before I give what happened? How do you let people know? Is your intuition ever really wrong?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:20:54

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Yeah, I'm so happy that you're bringing this up? Because I see that a lot. Where it's kind of like, what are the limiting beliefs? Or, like what monkey mind thoughts starting to come up? So there's the like, I'm making this up. And then there is a lot of the underneath that, like, am I going to lose love are individuals going to think I'm crazy, you know, just those kinds of survival patterns when we when we start to make a move, and that there can also be a miss identification. When those slower vibrational thoughts or feelings or sensations come up. So I like to liken it to a pond, like there's all the gunk on the bottom, that's moving at a slower vibration. And as you as you're on your path, or you're moving forward, or you're like that childhood gain going colder, colder, colder, and then you're going warmer, warmer, warmer, like when you're in that warmer, warmer, warmer part going to hot, hot hot, sometimes the gunk from the bottom of the pond comes up. And it's really a part of the the cleansing process of the pond. But a lot of us will look at that book and say, Oh, I'm not on the right path. Like for me, for example, I had this, like every time I would lead an amazing workshop or retreat, or there'd be this expansion and increased visibility. On the heels of that I had this contraction, and it felt like I was doing something wrong. And so I could have Miss identified being more visible, leading in a larger way at following the intuition as wrong because that more what I'm gonna say slower vibration was coming to the surface, the gook at the bottom of the pond was coming to the surface. So sometimes I like to invite people now this is where discernment comes in. Because it's not the same thing every time. But to really tune in and say, Well, maybe what you would consider being an indication that you're going colder, colder, colder, is actually an indication that you're getting warmer, warmer, warmer, that that feeling like you're doing something wrong or the contraction or you know, on the physical plane, often because we're really talking about leaving something that's working well, like you left things that were working well I left things that are working well usually when we're relaunching, and there is this, you know, high performer High Achiever energy, it takes a lot of courage to leave what's already going well to go into the unknown. And, and that's where all the thoughts go, like, Am I on the right path? Am I crazy, it's lackluster, I'm in the why, and, and to really open the space for the extraordinary to open the space to the highest contribution that we're here. To make it, it takes a lot of courage, and yet there are those paths along the way. So I would just say keep going. It's not an indication that you're on the wrong path. And, you know, for me to when I left things was like, right, as I was leading those things, they got even better. And that can be confusing, because that is very

Hilary DeCesare: 00:24:17

confusing. And that's why like you said, it's courage. It does take courage to realize that you're on the wrong path. Like this is not ultimately right. But we money comes in, you're like, Oh, this is so good. How do I leave something like this? But it's when you can go through that comfort zone, right? And they always talk about growth comes when you're pushing the edge of your comfort zone. And for some that are listening to this, you know, I ended up completely stepping out like I gave it up. But I had I had you call guides, I had mentors that were kind of like you know pushing along with me like I would go to them. What do you think? And yeah, I think you should try it you do? Like, are you crazy? And you would do this. And so you end up when you're open the right people, the right guides, the right coaches come to you. But you took you take that to even higher level, in that you mentioned it earlier about guides. Can you walk us through from a spiritual perspective? What What are guides?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:25:32

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Mm hmm. Yes. And I really am a proponent of having mentors having guides that we can talk to in the physical plane that we don't have to, like, Am I hearing the message, right, like, it's, it's really a beautiful combo platter, as well, that, especially as we're mentors, I'm a firm believer of having mentors and, and so that's a great foundation to talk about guides. And you know, my first introduction to guides, and I used to be an atheist, right, which is so funny as now I'm a, or maybe an agnostic, like now as I'm a spiritual mentor, like my first introduction to guides was really with the Egyptian Egyptian pantheon. And I think this is a good example. Because the the gods and goddesses of Egypt really are gods and goddesses of divine qualities, like ISIS is the God and Goddess of Love, or faith is about infinite knowledge. Or there can be a god or goddess, it's about manifesting. So these divine qualities we also have within ourselves. And as we're getting to know our highest self, or our divine self, sometimes it can be really beneficial and helpful to be tapping into divine qualities in bite size pieces. And so whether it's the the knowledge within or a guide, like photos, or it's the love within or a guide like ISIS, to me, that's a way to kind of talk about it in a way that that translates for a lot of us. And I really

Hilary DeCesare: 00:27:28

like where you're going with this, that you bring it back to Gods, right, because there, there is the god, you know, ISIS, and there's, you know, all of these guys that represent manifestation, as you said, represent something that has been going on for 1000s of years. Right. And so what you're doing is you're helping us realize that the belief systems that we have over time, through generations and generations, this goes way back, this is not just something that like, in the last 1020 years is coming up. That was really interesting. I hadn't really thought about that from a the gods that, that, you know, who was it? Was it God? The Greek gods? I think it was the Greek gods that first are known as those initial gods. Is that correct?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:28:29

Danielle Rama Hoffman: I feel like ancient Egypt was probably first but

Hilary DeCesare: 00:28:32

Ancient Egypt, okay, that. And that would be where you said, the God, the one that you follow, is the one that you mentioned in your bio, which is that you became, you realize that your guide was started with a tee it was like this thought that's what I read.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:28:54

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Yeah, or Mercury and the Greek gods. So the messenger knowledge,

Hilary DeCesare: 00:29:01

you're tapping into Gods that we have heard about that you're reading? Or did they? Or did they just come to you? Then you'd be like, Oh, wow. Thoughts? Is is my guide. How did you How did you know which one of all these different gods that you were really you were called to? Or they were called to you?

Hilary DeCesare: 00:29:29

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Yeah, well, I feel like there's a an affinity, a synergy. Just like we're called to work with mentors or we have relationships in this lifetime, and with other individuals, that I feel like I've been a wisdom keeper and a bringer forth of truth in a lot of different ways. And so just like you have the higher self and the head and the heart, you know, really when I first started working with guides, it was on that path of wisdom. And, and then is that as that continued on over the decades, like I feel like in a lot of us get to this point where we've taken either our logical mind or even higher wisdom as far as we can, yet it remains spiritual concepts or thoughts until we can embody it. And so when I look at my path, they rarely much started with the higher energy, the higher chakras or the path of wisdom, and then it descended into the heart. And it was like, and I see this a lot with our clients to your logical mind, or your wisdom is only going to get you that so far. And it's time to really open the heart and to tap into more love. And so that's where I also felt like my guides started evolving and changing, where I was working more with the Magdalene hands and the energy of love. Hmm, to embody that had heart and then creation, like, ultimately, I love creating. And I feel like we're creator beings. And so in order to create, it's got to go from concepts all the way down into into something we can hold and in touch. So that was kind of my journey. And yet, for each of us, we have an affinity, where it's natural, where we start with and that the one the oneness, however, anyone calls God goddess, Great Spirit, all that there is infinite oneness. That again, the concept of the Egyptian pantheon, or the gods or goddesses is that there are these qualities that we embody, and that we master that we have is our unique, divine geniuses. So that's kind of, you know, how it started was that I was introduced by one of my energy healing mentors to toe to Egypt. And then I went to Egypt and started taking tours to Egypt. So my entry point also had a lot to do to do with Egypt. And yet, for somebody else, it may be nature, and the elements of earth and air and water and fire, or it may be again, like getting to the end of the rope of the logical mind that then has this open to our, to our hearts and to love.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:32:24

So you've taken this even to the next level and created a 44 card deck for those that don't use DAX, how could they use your deck? What? How do you use it to help you even in your business? How can you use a card deck like the one you create it? Yeah, well, the the card

Hilary DeCesare: 00:32:45

Danielle Rama Hoffman: deck is is different, right? So let's say somebody does use decks, and they're used to oracle decks, where you use a card deck to get follow your intuition or to get guidance from the card deck. And this deck is really a manifestation deck. And so, you know, I really, I see a lot, a lot of my colleagues and my clients that they're using it with their clients, because what we're up to is trying is bringing idea, inspiration into form and that capacity to manifest to actualize the physicalize. It's, it's very much related to our capacity to fulfill our highest mission, while being resourced. Like I'm so passionate about that, because there are so many healers, practitioners, teachers, and I was one of them before my relaunch where I didn't have the time, or the energy or the team or the money to really fulfill the mission that I was here for, because we need resources. So we're all on a path of, of realization, or actualization or manifestation, or physical causation, of bringing ideas into form. And so to use the card deck, because they really are like 44 codes, and there are different exercises as well that we can apply. Like, I'm just will pull it, like I'll pull it before I have a podcast, I'll pull a card before I work with clients. And then that's like an energy that's supporting me through the day. And then also really assisting a direction as we're talking about intuition as well, like today a bold, confident creator. So your creations have a divine design hold the line of sight of positive expectations to make them inevitable. So maybe I'm on the path of manifesting something and I don't see it yet. And yet I pull that card and, and then it's holding like an an energy space in the physical plane, while that process of going from higher vibration into slower vibration, not lower or higher, but from faster to into into slower, because that's really the disk there. That's the part right Eat where something stays as an idea or it comes in a form. So the card also helps to kind of hold an energy space for it to cross the threshold into physical form.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:35:15

I think that that says so much there, I like to I love my cards, I have multiple decks, and I will definitely be checking out your deck too. I'm like a deck junkie here. But what I love about it is I pull a card every single morning, and it's just what do I need to know today? What do I need just like give me something and what it does is almost I'll think about it throughout the day, I'll be like, more consciously aware, and then be able to have it kind of manifest. And I'll say, oh, there it is. Oh, there it is. That's what and so I love cards, because it just kind of sets my day off on a really a positive way to be looking at the day versus just letting the day just come to you. I'm proactively like trying to find the court. Am I going to see this? Or am I and that's what your brain? Right? That's what it delivers reticular activation system, it's going to give you what you are looking for such an incredible, incredible way to you know, use the decks I think. So. Unfortunately, it's already like our time's up. And I can't even believe that because I have about 100 more questions. And I didn't even get to ask some of the really juicy ones. But where can people find you and really become a part of your world? Yes, yes.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:36:45

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Well, I just want to add one more thing about this particular deck is that this tech helps us to receive more without doing more which is so helpful for us especially that are already in action. And we're we do all the due. And so this deck works really well to pull the card before you go to bed. And then you're marinating in the energies and you wake up and then the Oz and you see it so yeah, it's it's a different way to to pull pull a card to kind of set your day the night before.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:37:17

I have never done that.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:37:19

Danielle Rama Hoffman: I've never pulled a card at night. I love that. Yeah. And then I just put on the nightstand and then you're you're good. Yeah. Yeah, so folks can find me at Danielle hoffman.com. And yeah, that's really the best place to join the community. I also Yeah, have a podcast the seven figure spiritual leader podcast and all places podcasting yet. Daniel hoffman.com is really the place to go.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:37:48

Well, any last words that are coming through your guides that you need to share with our audience? Mm hmm.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:38:01

Danielle Rama Hoffman: Yeah, really the the integration of head heart Higher Self the integration of wisdom and heart into oneness the cure the the courage to bring together perhaps what seems like two sides of you because they're really oneness. So if you have two sides of you, that seem to be in a paradox with one another, just know that those are like really important clues to living and expressing your highest contribution and in this lifetime in this form. So that's what's coming to me to share that whatever we're in inner conflict with, or seemingly, there's a competing commitment, it's a part of what we're here to do.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:38:50

And Danielle, it has been so great talking to you, everyone, you know, it's your journey. And when you find that you have something today intrigued you like, huh, my attitude when I was at Oracle was all right. You know, I'm so in my head, that I wasn't willing to open myself up because I felt that there was some craziness about it. Like I must be crazy if I'm, if I'm leaning into my intuition. But in today's world, I gotta tell you, the people that hit the six, figure seven, figure eight figure in your business and have sustainable happiness around the business are ones that are incorporating the head, the heart, the highest self, not the ones that are entirely just focused in one as you said, modality, but opening yourself up. So today, go reach out to Danielle get the cards do what I'm going to be doing which is pull a card at night and let us know. Give us you know a shout out go to the to go to our, our Instagram, go to Facebook, let us know how this resonated say I'm going to do this micro action, I'm going to take this first action. And again, what we always are really going for is you got to be able to live now. Love now and be able to relaunch now into that next best version of you, everyone take care and we will be back next week.

Hilary DeCesare: 00:40:33

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